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Sony a7RIII EDR vs ISO setting

December 3, 2017 JimK 17 Comments

This is a continuation of a series of posts on the Sony a7RIII.  You should be able to find all the posts about that camera in the Category List on the right sidebar, below the Articles widget. There’s a drop-down menu there that you can use to get to all the posts in this series.

Yesterday, I reported on the effect of the shutter modes on the a7RIII on the digitizing precision. In this one, I’ll extend that discussion to the way the shutter modes affect the read noise (RN). I’m going to show you some graphs of Engineering Dynamic Range (EDR), which is another way of looking at RN. EDR is defined as full scale divided by RN. I’m converting that ratio to stops, by taking the base-two logarithm of it. 

There are going to be a lot of graphs, but there is one that pretty much sums it all up. I’m going to show you that first:

I’m using ES as the abbreviation for electronic shutter. Sony calls is Silent Shooting, but I prefer to reserve SS for single shot shutter mode. The vertical axis is the EDR in stops. Higher is better. You can see that the EDR is the highest at base ISO for EFCS, single shot, uncompressed. What you can’t see is that the base ISO EDR for ES, single shot, uncompressed is the same. In fact, all across the ISO range shown, the electronic shutter and the mechanical shutter give virtually the same results for uncompressed files. 

When using EFCS and staying in SS , going to compressed mode extracts a tiny EDR penalty (you’ll never see it in real-world photography) at low ISOs, and has no effect at higher ISO settings. Using the electronic shutter continuous compressed mode has a negative EDR effect that is somewhat more than one stop, but that’s what you’ll have to live with is you want the 1/30 second electronic shutter scan time. Not shown is EFCS continuous compressed; it looks the same as ES at those settings.

Many of you will want to stop right here but read on if you want the details.

Here is the whole EDR curve for EFCS, single shot, uncompressed:

I’ve plotted the results for the red, green, and blue raw color planes. You will be forgiven if you see no difference; there is none to speak of. There are three regions of the curve that need a bit of explanation.

The first is EDR at ISO settings below the base. I call these “fake ISOs”. They do not reduce the sensitivity of the a7RIII sensor one whit. All they do is bias the exposure settings. My suggestion to you remains the saem as for all the other a7x cameras: don’t use ISO settings below 100. If you feel the need to allow more exposure, use manual mode of the exposure compensation dial. 

The next is the bump in EDR that happens when you change from ISO 500 to ISO 640. This is not fake at all. It is very real and very useful, and stems from the DR-Pix technology that Sony licensed from Aptina some years ago. That technology allows Sony to increase the conversion gain at ISOs above 640, and thus reduce the read noise. 

The last is the increase in EDR that happens at nose-bleed ISO settings. This is fake, too. Sony uses digital spatial filtering at these settings to reduce noise. You can do the same in post-production, with a lot more control. My advice is to not use these ISO settings.

Unsurprisingly, the electronic shutter curves look almost identical:

The camera does not allow the fake ISO settings in this mode. The bump in EDR at the very high ISOs is less apparent. Otherwise, six of one and half a dozen of the other. 

Back to EFCS, but with compression turned on:

The only salient difference from the single shot uncompressed curve is a very slight downward bending as you approach ISO 100 from above. 

If we turn the electronic shutter on and switch to compressed, things change:

But it’s not the electronic shutter that makes the camera go into the high-speed conversion mode that increases noise and sacrifices precision, it’s the combination of compressed file format and continuous shooting. We can prove that by turning EFCS on:

 

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Comments

  1. Arthur says

    December 3, 2017 at 10:51 am

    Although Sony is no concern of mine, I think it’s very beneficial to your readers when you give practical advice on how they can get the most out of their cameras.

    Thank you for them. And when you start banging on the D850 again, thank you from me.

    Reply
  2. AZSteve says

    December 3, 2017 at 12:49 pm

    Practically everything Jim does here is very beneficial to this reader who is 50-50 Nikon-Sony.

    Thanks, Jim.

    Reply
  3. Cajer says

    December 3, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    Could we please see a chart with single shot drive mode but compression on? It would be nice to see the effect of compression on edr.

    Reply
    • JimK says

      December 4, 2017 at 9:13 am

      Done when I did the correction reference below

      Reply
  4. Morten Smedsrud says

    December 3, 2017 at 11:04 pm

    Both last and third last charts have titles ending with “EFCS continuous, compressed”. Is the third last one supposed to say uncompressed? If so the text may need some updating too.

    If mechanical + compressed also drops to 12bit with the accompanying image quality drop that is pity because it can make a lot of sense to shoot that way for buffer performance. I can’t see it making must sense either because rolling shutter is no issue with a mechanical shutter anyways

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  5. Subrata sen says

    December 4, 2017 at 12:56 am

    Hi Jim,

    Thanks for all the wonderful painfully researched work!
    I could swear there are two contradictory graphs for EFCS with continuous shooting and compressed raw files? Or am I getting senile?

    Reply
    • JimK says

      December 4, 2017 at 9:14 am

      You are right. Fixed now. See below.

      Reply
  6. Matt Grum says

    December 4, 2017 at 5:56 am

    Jim, what’s the difference between these two graphs:

    http://blog.kasson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/es-cont-comp-edr.png
    http://blog.kasson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/efcs-cont-comp-edr.png

    They have the same heading, is one of them mislabelled?

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    • JimK says

      December 4, 2017 at 9:16 am

      This is the first and last time I shoot all the different modes at the same time and analyze them later. I apologize and have corrected the images and the explanations. I mixed up the continuous EFCS compressed with the single shot EFCS compressed.

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  7. Fred Miranda says

    December 5, 2017 at 8:06 pm

    Jim,
    How about uncompressed, ES and continuous bracketing? I use that a lot in the field and wonder if there is a significant penalty… It should not matter that much since bracketing captures lots of data but it would be interesting to know.

    Reply
    • Justin Brown says

      March 19, 2018 at 3:23 pm

      This is also the question I am looking for an answer to. If my memory is correct, the a7RII had lower EDR in all continuous shooting modes, and also in all of the electronic shutter modes. From this data it looks like they have “fixed” some of the electronic shutter modes in the a7RIII so they do not have the EDR penalty. I’d really like to know if that is also the case for any of the continuous shooting modes. Like Fred, I like to shoot in continuous bracketing, and I am curious if there is an EDR cost associated with this decision.

      Thanks,
      Justin

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      • Franz De Mesa says

        April 8, 2018 at 10:43 am

        The sony A7R III can only use ES and Bracket Exposure in compressed RAW. I’m also hoping that Jim answers the question.

        How’s the EDR and Noise using ES Cont. Bracket Compressed?

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  8. terry Stahly says

    December 8, 2017 at 5:29 am

    So the bottom line is to shoot uncompressed is that what you are saying? And I assume when you have the chance to try and shoot at ISO 100 & 640 correct?

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  9. Den says

    October 8, 2018 at 6:27 am

    Hey Jim,

    ‘But it’s not the electronic shutter that makes the camera go into the high-speed conversion mode that increases noise and sacrifices precision, it’s the combination of compressed file format and continuous shooting.’

    What about uncompressed and continuous – does that take a penalty also?

    Thank you for your great insight.

    Reply
  10. Francesco Mallamo says

    April 23, 2019 at 3:14 pm

    Hi, it is possibile to determinate if the dr expands more on the highligths side or in the shadows at different iso values? I suppose the dr in not perfectly distributed around 18% grey.

    Reply
    • JimK says

      April 23, 2019 at 3:40 pm

      With compensating exposure, the DR improvements with decreasing the ISO setting are all in the darker parts of the image. There is no improvement in the highlights.

      Reply

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