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Sony a7RII and a7RIII star-eating under the microscope

November 21, 2017 JimK 10 Comments

This is the third in a series of posts on the Sony a7RIII (and a7RII, for comparison) spatial processing that is invoked when you use a shutter speed of longer than 3.2 seconds. The series starts here.

In a comment on the preceding post, Drew Geraci said that there were differences in the dark-field frequency responses that I’d posted for the a7RIII (recently) and the a7RII (some time ago). Since I use different parameters for these plots, I decided to go back and do an apples-to-apples test of two dark-field files that Rishi sent me. Both were made at ISO 1000, single shot, uncompressed raw, with a 4-second exposure.

I don’t see any material difference.

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  1. Mark Shelley says

    November 21, 2017 at 3:46 pm

    Hi Jim,

    Can you clarify the firmware version of the A7RII in this comparison

    DPR (https://www.dpreview.com/news/3195011528/analysis-the-sony-a7r-iii-is-still-a-star-eater) is saying:
    “Below, you can compare the a7R III vs. an a7R II with v3.00 firmware (which Jim confirmed to have similar noise reduction in his analyses):”

    That would mean that the v3.00 firmware did spatial filtering.

    Mark

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    • JimK says

      November 21, 2017 at 8:32 pm

      3.0. I questioned Rishi on that, since he created the file, and he and I both checked the EXIF. He was right. That’s a surprise to me, too.

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      • Mark Shelley says

        November 21, 2017 at 9:57 pm

        The v3.0 update said “Improves picture quality”.

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  2. Eliz says

    November 22, 2017 at 12:38 am

    @offtopic: any chance to measure electronic shutter speed also for Sony A7R III? Being a normal sensor (not with dram like A9) i presume it’s similar with A7R II/D850.

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    • JimK says

      November 22, 2017 at 7:30 am

      When I get the camera, that will be one of the first things I’ll test. My expectations mirror your own.

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      • Rishi Sanyal says

        November 22, 2017 at 12:58 pm

        I can confirm that I get the same number of dark/light bands under 120Hz solid state LED lighting as the a7R II, so I imagine the shutter rate is the same (Jim you measured that as 1/14s, correct?).

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        • JimK says

          November 22, 2017 at 1:15 pm

          Correct.

          Reply
        • Morten Smedsrud says

          November 28, 2017 at 7:45 am

          The electronic shutter in the A7R III is actually slightly faster in 14bit mode and about twice as fast in 12bit mode (which you enable with compressed raw + continuous shooting) compared to the A7R II (which is always 12 bit).

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          • JimK says

            November 28, 2017 at 7:53 am

            That’s good. I can hardly wait to test one.

            Reply

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    November 22, 2017 at 11:04 am

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