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Fast vs slow lenses at the same aperture

December 5, 2015 JimK 1 Comment

A few days ago, I wrote this post, which attempted to make the case that slower, lighter lenses were — by and large —  a better match for modern full frame mirrorless cameras than the traditional faster ones.

I got a lot of pushback. I dealt with the equivalence argument here. Another line of attack went something like this:

People don’t buy f/1.4 lenses to use them at f/1.4. Lenses perform the best when stopped down two or three stops from their maximum aperture. Therefore, if you want a sharp image at f/4, you need to buy a f/1.4 or f/2 lens, and if you want a sharp image at f/5.6, you need to buy a f/2 or f/2.8 lens.

That didn’t sit right with me. While I recognize that most lenses are not at their best wide open, I had always thought that that was a conscious decision on the part of the lens designer. I would have thought that, if performance at f/4 were the most important thing, telling the lens designer that the widest aperture of the lens only needed to be f/4 would allow a lighter, smaller, and probably less expensive lens than if the maximum aperture were, say, f/1.4.

As a thought experiment that indicates that designing a f/4 lens to be its best at f/4 at least wouldn’t cost any more, be any bigger, or weigh any more than designing an f/1.4 lens that is its best at f/4, consider that taking the second lens and modifying it in such a way that the iris wouldn’t open any wider than f/4 would meet the design criterion.

In the real world, is there a breakeven in f/4 (and stopped down from there) performance that comes from saying that the lens doesn’t need to go any wider than f/4? is there a win in size and weight  that comes from saying that the lens doesn’t need to go any wider than f/4, considering that if can’t lose performance from that of the faster lens?

I dunno. I’m not a lens designer. I don’t even play one on the Internet. But I’m going to ask around on dpr — where there is at least one actual lens designer —  and I’ll report back what I find.

 

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  1. Herb says

    December 7, 2015 at 9:39 am

    Jim, count me as agreeing. The optical quality of the grinding, the optical design, and the coatings are all part of lens quality. In my LF days, I had two Cooke lenses, much sought after the overall quality was not necessarily the sharpness, as I had a few converted process lenses, Schneider G Claron, and Nikon, that were technically sharper, but did not give the overall image quality, micro contrast and such. I am basically a b/w photographer, but the lens quality differences are visible in b/w.
    The idea that lens diameter determines quality is only true when cost of mfg is considered; otherwise it should be the same for an f4 lens or an f1.4 lens.

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