• site home
  • blog home
  • galleries
  • contact
  • underwater
  • the bleeding edge

the last word

Photography meets digital computer technology. Photography wins -- most of the time.

You are here: Home / The Last Word / Luminance and focus plane

Luminance and focus plane

February 10, 2018 JimK 4 Comments

Fair warning: this is a nerdy little post, of interest only to photo-techies and numbers junkies.

Who’s left? Jack, I knew I could count on you.

A reader took me to task several days ago for using the Adobe RGB green channel as a proxy for luminance when I measured focus accuracy and focus shift. In the past, Jack Hogan and I have dealt with a similar issue when analyzing focus using MTF curves and the three raw channels. It turned out to be pretty easy to add luminance as a focusing metric to my present focus plane tester, so I did.

Here’s a sample:

There are eight curves plotted in the above graph. The red, green, and blue Adobe RGB channels are plotted in — as you might guess —  red, green, and blue. Luminance is plotted in black. For each of those, the raw output of the focus quality algorithm and the smoothed version that I use to establish focus plane are plotted. In this case, the green channel is a pretty good proxy for luminance.

Here’s another plot where that’s true:

But that’s not always the case:

Now, because of the pull of the red and blue channels in the same direction, the luminance plot ends up looking quite a bit different from the green channel lines.

Same with this Batis and the short ramp:

In some cases, the luminance peak can be lower than any of the color planes:

I’ve not found any way to accurately approximate the luminance curves from the RGB ones. To get the luminance curves, you need to convert the RGB image to luminance, and then run the focus quality algorithm on that image.

The Last Word

← Fuji 32-64/4 at 32 mm focus shift and autofocus accuracy Sony/Zeiss 35/1.4 Distagon sample variation →

Comments

  1. jaapv says

    February 27, 2018 at 12:33 am

    What about using the luminance channel in LAB?

    Reply
    • JimK says

      February 27, 2018 at 7:43 am

      I’m using Y, so the difference is only the nonlinearity.

      Reply
  2. JaapD says

    July 23, 2018 at 6:19 am

    Hi jim,
    How did you calculate Luminance? Something like 0,33R + 0,33G + 0,33B or 0.30R + 59G + 0,11B?
    Regards,
    Jaap.

    Reply
    • JimK says

      July 23, 2018 at 7:06 am

      The image was in Adobe RGB. First I linearized the triplets, then I calculated Y as follows: 0.29734 * R + 0.62736 * G + 0.07529 * B.

      Here’s a reference: https://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/pdfs/AdobeRGB1998.pdf

      Reply

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

May 2025
S M T W T F S
 123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031
« Apr    

Articles

  • About
    • Patents and papers about color
    • Who am I?
  • How to…
    • Backing up photographic images
    • How to change email providers
    • How to shoot slanted edge images for me
  • Lens screening testing
    • Equipment and Software
    • Examples
      • Bad and OK 200-600 at 600
      • Excellent 180-400 zoom
      • Fair 14-30mm zoom
      • Good 100-200 mm MF zoom
      • Good 100-400 zoom
      • Good 100mm lens on P1 P45+
      • Good 120mm MF lens
      • Good 18mm FF lens
      • Good 24-105 mm FF lens
      • Good 24-70 FF zoom
      • Good 35 mm FF lens
      • Good 35-70 MF lens
      • Good 60 mm lens on IQ3-100
      • Good 63 mm MF lens
      • Good 65 mm FF lens
      • Good 85 mm FF lens
      • Good and bad 25mm FF lenses
      • Good zoom at 24 mm
      • Marginal 18mm lens
      • Marginal 35mm FF lens
      • Mildly problematic 55 mm FF lens
      • OK 16-35mm zoom
      • OK 60mm lens on P1 P45+
      • OK Sony 600mm f/4
      • Pretty good 16-35 FF zoom
      • Pretty good 90mm FF lens
      • Problematic 400 mm FF lens
      • Tilted 20 mm f/1.8 FF lens
      • Tilted 30 mm MF lens
      • Tilted 50 mm FF lens
      • Two 15mm FF lenses
    • Found a problem – now what?
    • Goals for this test
    • Minimum target distances
      • MFT
      • APS-C
      • Full frame
      • Small medium format
    • Printable Siemens Star targets
    • Target size on sensor
      • MFT
      • APS-C
      • Full frame
      • Small medium format
    • Test instructions — postproduction
    • Test instructions — reading the images
    • Test instructions – capture
    • Theory of the test
    • What’s wrong with conventional lens screening?
  • Previsualization heresy
  • Privacy Policy
  • Recommended photographic web sites
  • Using in-camera histograms for ETTR
    • Acknowledgments
    • Why ETTR?
    • Normal in-camera histograms
    • Image processing for in-camera histograms
    • Making the in-camera histogram closely represent the raw histogram
    • Shortcuts to UniWB
    • Preparing for monitor-based UniWB
    • A one-step UniWB procedure
    • The math behind the one-step method
    • Iteration using Newton’s Method

Category List

Recent Comments

  • bob lozano on The 16-Bit Fallacy: Why More Isn’t Always Better in Medium Format Cameras
  • JimK on Goldilocks and the three flashes
  • DC Wedding Photographer on Goldilocks and the three flashes
  • Wedding Photographer in DC on The 16-Bit Fallacy: Why More Isn’t Always Better in Medium Format Cameras
  • JimK on Fujifilm GFX 100S II precision
  • Renjie Zhu on Fujifilm GFX 100S II precision
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • Ivo de Man on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF

Archives

Copyright © 2025 · Daily Dish Pro On Genesis Framework · WordPress · Log in

Unless otherwise noted, all images copyright Jim Kasson.