• site home
  • blog home
  • galleries
  • contact
  • underwater
  • the bleeding edge

the last word

Photography meets digital computer technology. Photography wins -- most of the time.

You are here: Home / The Last Word / Spatial filtering of raw images by Sony a7S, a7II

Spatial filtering of raw images by Sony a7S, a7II

April 28, 2015 JimK 5 Comments

It was reported on DPR that the Sony alpha 7S (a7S) performs some processing when exposure is set to “Bulb” that is different from what is done when the same length exposure is set for the camera to time.

We’ve seen before that the a7S performs some spatial filtering of raw files at ISO settings of over 50000. I used the same technique to investigate whether there was any spatial processing to images made using Bulb.

I made two dark-field photographs with the a7S, both at ISO 2000, in single shot shutter mode, one with the shutter set to 6 seconds, and one with it set to Bulb, and timed for about 6 seconds. I then analyzed the spectrum of the first green raw channel image in both the vertical and horizontal directions.

Here are the spectra for the exposure the camera timed:

a7Srn6sec

This shows no evidence of spatial filtering. With cameras that have a large offset to their black points, like the Sony alpha 7 series, dark-field noise is essentially read noise. Read noise is usually white, except that it has some low-frequency components that are boosted over that. That’s exactly what we see here.

Here’s the same exposure time using Bulb:

a7Srbulb6sec

Now there is evidence of spatial filtering, and pretty complex spatial filtering at that, given the oscillations in the horizontal spectrum.

What about the Sony alpha 7 Mark II (a7II)? Here’s the camera-timed exposure under the same conditions:

a7iirn6sec

Looks untouched by spatial filtering.

Now using Bulb:

a7iirnbulb6sec

Well, we don’t have the funny wiggles like we did with the a7S, but there sure is some lowpass filtering going on.

Beware, astrophotographers!

The Last Word

← 85 Otus, Tele-Tessar, handheld w/ IBIS on the a7II Nikon 300mm f/4E PF ED VR on Nikon D810 →

Comments

  1. NicoG says

    April 28, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    Interesting findings …
    So like at high iso, a filter similar to a 2×2 is applied in bulb mode!

    Reply
    • Jim says

      April 28, 2015 at 8:40 pm

      Or maybe a nonlinear filter like a median filter. It’s not simply a median filter, because the center of artificial stars are suppressed relative to the captured perimeter.

      Reply
  2. Jean Pierre says

    April 29, 2015 at 12:17 am

    Thanks Jim, I would do the same test, and you have done it now.
    A bit suprised about the a7II, which become a very great overall MILC!!

    Reply

Trackbacks

  1. Sony a7II 12-bit mode’s effect on shadows | The Last Word says:
    August 4, 2015 at 6:28 am

    […] the way, you should know that, at least on the a7S and a7II, bulb mode invokes some spatial filtering. Oh, those tricky Sony […]

    Reply
  2. Star Eater – Why I No Longer Recommend Sony Cameras for Astrophotography: An Open Letter to Sony – Lonely Speck says:
    May 3, 2017 at 1:34 pm

    […] http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/spacial-filtering-of-raw-images-by-sony-a7s-a7ii/ http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/sony-a7rii-long-exposure-spatial-filtering-with-fw-3-30/ http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/16486/ http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/lenr-and-sony-a7rii-fw-3-30-lowpass-filteering/ http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/reverse-engineering-the-sony-a7rii-long-exposure-spatial-filtering/ http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/sony-a7rii-bulb-spatial-filtering/ […]

    Reply

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

May 2025
S M T W T F S
 123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031
« Apr    

Articles

  • About
    • Patents and papers about color
    • Who am I?
  • How to…
    • Backing up photographic images
    • How to change email providers
    • How to shoot slanted edge images for me
  • Lens screening testing
    • Equipment and Software
    • Examples
      • Bad and OK 200-600 at 600
      • Excellent 180-400 zoom
      • Fair 14-30mm zoom
      • Good 100-200 mm MF zoom
      • Good 100-400 zoom
      • Good 100mm lens on P1 P45+
      • Good 120mm MF lens
      • Good 18mm FF lens
      • Good 24-105 mm FF lens
      • Good 24-70 FF zoom
      • Good 35 mm FF lens
      • Good 35-70 MF lens
      • Good 60 mm lens on IQ3-100
      • Good 63 mm MF lens
      • Good 65 mm FF lens
      • Good 85 mm FF lens
      • Good and bad 25mm FF lenses
      • Good zoom at 24 mm
      • Marginal 18mm lens
      • Marginal 35mm FF lens
      • Mildly problematic 55 mm FF lens
      • OK 16-35mm zoom
      • OK 60mm lens on P1 P45+
      • OK Sony 600mm f/4
      • Pretty good 16-35 FF zoom
      • Pretty good 90mm FF lens
      • Problematic 400 mm FF lens
      • Tilted 20 mm f/1.8 FF lens
      • Tilted 30 mm MF lens
      • Tilted 50 mm FF lens
      • Two 15mm FF lenses
    • Found a problem – now what?
    • Goals for this test
    • Minimum target distances
      • MFT
      • APS-C
      • Full frame
      • Small medium format
    • Printable Siemens Star targets
    • Target size on sensor
      • MFT
      • APS-C
      • Full frame
      • Small medium format
    • Test instructions — postproduction
    • Test instructions — reading the images
    • Test instructions – capture
    • Theory of the test
    • What’s wrong with conventional lens screening?
  • Previsualization heresy
  • Privacy Policy
  • Recommended photographic web sites
  • Using in-camera histograms for ETTR
    • Acknowledgments
    • Why ETTR?
    • Normal in-camera histograms
    • Image processing for in-camera histograms
    • Making the in-camera histogram closely represent the raw histogram
    • Shortcuts to UniWB
    • Preparing for monitor-based UniWB
    • A one-step UniWB procedure
    • The math behind the one-step method
    • Iteration using Newton’s Method

Category List

Recent Comments

  • JimK on Goldilocks and the three flashes
  • DC Wedding Photographer on Goldilocks and the three flashes
  • Wedding Photographer in DC on The 16-Bit Fallacy: Why More Isn’t Always Better in Medium Format Cameras
  • JimK on Fujifilm GFX 100S II precision
  • Renjie Zhu on Fujifilm GFX 100S II precision
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • Ivo de Man on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • Ivo de Man on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF

Archives

Copyright © 2025 · Daily Dish Pro On Genesis Framework · WordPress · Log in

Unless otherwise noted, all images copyright Jim Kasson.