• site home
  • blog home
  • galleries
  • contact
  • underwater
  • the bleeding edge

the last word

Photography meets digital computer technology. Photography wins -- most of the time.

You are here: Home / a7RIII / a7RIII AF-S accuracy with Batis 85/1.8

a7RIII AF-S accuracy with Batis 85/1.8

January 18, 2018 JimK 6 Comments

This is a continuation of a series of posts on the Sony a7RIII.   You should be able to find all the posts about that camera in the Category List on the right sidebar, below the Articles widget. There’s a drop-down menu there that you can use to get to all the posts in this series; just look for “a7RIII”. 

In the previous two posts, I found systematic autofocus errors with Sony lenses (the 100-400, 70-200/4, and 90/2.8 macro) on the a7RIII, using AF-S. I checked the focus shift using manual focusing, and it seemed to mirror the AF-S errors, indicating to me that the combination of PDAF and CDAF that the a7RIII uses is not compensating properly for focus shift. 

I’m now going to do the same test with the Zeiss Batis 85/1.8.

First with manual focusing:

Negative numbers indicate front-focusing. The image-plane shift in micrometers (um) increases fairly consistently.

Let’s look at the effect of those errors on the circle of confusion (CoC):

 

The largest effect is about two pixels.

Now I’ll turn on autofocus (spot, medium, AF-S, Setting Effect on):

 

 

 

I’ve got two things to say. First, autofocus is remarkably consistent. Second, it’s not correcting for focus shift.

What gives?

 

a7RIII

← a7RIII AF accuracy with the 90/2.8 macro a7RIII AF-C accuracy with Batis 85/1.8 →

Comments

  1. David Braddon-Mitchell says

    January 18, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    Jim do you have any sense of how much of the differences between how much the Sony lenses deal with focus shift is to do with the extent to which they are focussing stopped down?

    There was massive forum complaining about the tendency to always stop down for focus (actually studio guys trying to focus at f8 with strobes and weak modelling lights might have had reason) and in recent firmware updates this behaviour has changed on some lenses.

    There’s also a difference in behaviour with some lenses, I’m told, as to whether “settings effect” is turned on or off. I think that for some lenses they now focus at about one stop down: maybe that’s thought of as a good enough compromise so as to not require LUTs?

    Reply
    • JimK says

      January 18, 2018 at 5:00 pm

      I did have setting effect on. I thought that was supposed to make the lens focus stopped down.

      Reply
      • David Braddon-Mitchell says

        January 19, 2018 at 10:06 pm

        My understanding is (which may be wrong) is that this varies with firmware and lens and camera.

        I am sure that on one of the firmware iterations on the r2 (which I don’t have since switching to R3) settings effect on resulted in the 1.8/55 focussing at about f2.5-2.8 when the lens was set to apertures 2.8 or smaller (I could see it stopped down for settings effect, opening up for focus, then stopping down again for taking)

        Reply
  2. Chris Livsey says

    January 19, 2018 at 6:06 am

    What does the a7RII do, does it correct or behave the same?

    Reply
    • JimK says

      January 19, 2018 at 7:05 am

      Good question. I don’t know — yet.

      Reply
    • Horshack says

      January 19, 2018 at 8:42 am

      I just received my copy of the new Sony 24-105mm f/4 FE and it exhibits significant focus shift at the long end. Apparently it’s copy specific because other users are not seeing the same issue. My A7rII is definitely not correcting for it in AF-S mode – it focuses this particular lens wide-open, thus the plane of focus is shifted when stopped down. So it seems clear Sony’s AF system is not correcting for shift. Either Sony is doing its CDAF “confirmation cycle” before stopping the lens down (thus not incorporating the shift correction), or the camera is not actually doing a CDAF cycle at all. I’ve seen hints about this correction cycle online but haven’t found any definitive evidence that the camera actually performs it.

      Switching to AF-C mode on my A7rII produces correct focus since the camera focuses stopped-down for that mode.

      I posted about my findings with the 24-105 in the following posts on Fred Miranda (snapsy):
      http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1517297/25#14331645
      http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1517297/26#14331696
      http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1517297/27#14332296

      Reply

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

May 2025
S M T W T F S
 123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031
« Apr    

Articles

  • About
    • Patents and papers about color
    • Who am I?
  • How to…
    • Backing up photographic images
    • How to change email providers
    • How to shoot slanted edge images for me
  • Lens screening testing
    • Equipment and Software
    • Examples
      • Bad and OK 200-600 at 600
      • Excellent 180-400 zoom
      • Fair 14-30mm zoom
      • Good 100-200 mm MF zoom
      • Good 100-400 zoom
      • Good 100mm lens on P1 P45+
      • Good 120mm MF lens
      • Good 18mm FF lens
      • Good 24-105 mm FF lens
      • Good 24-70 FF zoom
      • Good 35 mm FF lens
      • Good 35-70 MF lens
      • Good 60 mm lens on IQ3-100
      • Good 63 mm MF lens
      • Good 65 mm FF lens
      • Good 85 mm FF lens
      • Good and bad 25mm FF lenses
      • Good zoom at 24 mm
      • Marginal 18mm lens
      • Marginal 35mm FF lens
      • Mildly problematic 55 mm FF lens
      • OK 16-35mm zoom
      • OK 60mm lens on P1 P45+
      • OK Sony 600mm f/4
      • Pretty good 16-35 FF zoom
      • Pretty good 90mm FF lens
      • Problematic 400 mm FF lens
      • Tilted 20 mm f/1.8 FF lens
      • Tilted 30 mm MF lens
      • Tilted 50 mm FF lens
      • Two 15mm FF lenses
    • Found a problem – now what?
    • Goals for this test
    • Minimum target distances
      • MFT
      • APS-C
      • Full frame
      • Small medium format
    • Printable Siemens Star targets
    • Target size on sensor
      • MFT
      • APS-C
      • Full frame
      • Small medium format
    • Test instructions — postproduction
    • Test instructions — reading the images
    • Test instructions – capture
    • Theory of the test
    • What’s wrong with conventional lens screening?
  • Previsualization heresy
  • Privacy Policy
  • Recommended photographic web sites
  • Using in-camera histograms for ETTR
    • Acknowledgments
    • Why ETTR?
    • Normal in-camera histograms
    • Image processing for in-camera histograms
    • Making the in-camera histogram closely represent the raw histogram
    • Shortcuts to UniWB
    • Preparing for monitor-based UniWB
    • A one-step UniWB procedure
    • The math behind the one-step method
    • Iteration using Newton’s Method

Category List

Recent Comments

  • bob lozano on The 16-Bit Fallacy: Why More Isn’t Always Better in Medium Format Cameras
  • JimK on Goldilocks and the three flashes
  • DC Wedding Photographer on Goldilocks and the three flashes
  • Wedding Photographer in DC on The 16-Bit Fallacy: Why More Isn’t Always Better in Medium Format Cameras
  • JimK on Fujifilm GFX 100S II precision
  • Renjie Zhu on Fujifilm GFX 100S II precision
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • Ivo de Man on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF

Archives

Copyright © 2025 · Daily Dish Pro On Genesis Framework · WordPress · Log in

Unless otherwise noted, all images copyright Jim Kasson.