• site home
  • blog home
  • galleries
  • contact
  • underwater
  • the bleeding edge

the last word

Photography meets digital computer technology. Photography wins -- most of the time.

You are here: Home / GFX 50S / Fujifilm GFX 50S focusing — summary to date

Fujifilm GFX 50S focusing — summary to date

April 19, 2017 JimK 8 Comments

This is the 39th in a series of posts on the Fujifilm GFX-50S. The series starts here.

I’m not sure where to go with the focusing studies on the GFX. Maybe it’s time to gather my thoughts and tell you all what I think I’ve discovered. I’ll cover manual focusing first, then autofocusing.

Manual focus

The controls for the GFX focus magnification are ergonomically excellent. Press the back thumb wheel to enter magnified view, and spin it to change magnification. Unfortunately, the maximum magnification is not enough for critical focusing. That means that you have to use peaking. Peaking seems to have a bad name because it’s such a blunt instrument when you’re looking at the full image, but as the magnification goes up, it becomes more and more useful. However, with the GFX you only have two peaking sensitivities available (not counting off), and that’s not enough. With a sharp lens and a high-contrast target, even at maximum magnification, setting the peaking to low will still light up the finder too much when the image is close to being in focus. With mechanically-focused lenses, you can find one side of sharp and then the other side, and split the difference. That doesn’t work with focus-by wire lenses, since a given amount of twist of the focusing ring translates to different amounts of lens element motion depending on how fast and how far you move the ring.

All the things above conspire to make critical manual focusing fairly good (but far from great) with adapted helicoid lenses and barely acceptable with the native focus by wire lenses. I’d put the focusing with adapted lenses about the same as the D810 (that only applies if you turn peaking on in the GFX, though — the D810 doesn’t have peaking). With the two native lenses I’ve tried — the 63 and 120 macro — the focusing experience is better than the D800, but short of the D810. In no case does the GFX provide manual focusing that’s the equal of the a7R, or even the a7RII. The standard of focusing tolerance is not the same across those cameras, since the GFX is capable of so much greater sharpness when the image is in focus; I’m being harder on the GFX because it can do so much more, and thus the consequences of a small focusing error are greater. Here is a focusing strategy that works well with the GFX.

The best strategy for manually focusing the 63 mm f/2.8 lens is to focus wide open. That doesn’t work with the 120. The best way to deal with the 120 macro is to focus at taking aperture, or maybe slightly open from there.

Autofocus

With both native lenses, autofocus works will wide open. It also works well stopped down a fair amount. But, with some subjects, it gives inconsistent and inaccurate results at f/4 and f/5.6 with the 63 mm lens, and at f/5.6 with the 120 macro. If you know that, you can work around the issue.

Since f/8 on the GFX is about like f/5.6 on a full frame camera for diffraction and depth of field, stopping down that far is not much of a privation, and you can always use both lenses wide open if you want to blur the heck out of the background.

By the way, I don’t find the GFX MF/AF mode that useful. If you’ve enabled it, you can autofocus the lens, then twist the focusing ring. That immediately gets you magnified view, and you can tweak the focus. However, you can’t get back to viewing the full frame without losing your focus point. Or at least I can’t figure out how to do it. It’s probably something involving back-button focusing. I’ll play with it some more.

Let me put this in perspective. There are many uses for the GFX — perhaps the majority of them — for which the present autofocus performance is just fine. This autofocus issue is only important if you’re trying to get the most of the great sensor and the sharp natives lenses. I think this situation is a little like the a7R shutter shock. There are many people who said that the effect didn’t exist. They said that because they thought their pictures looked just fine to them. There will be many GFX users who feel the same way about the autofocusing on their cameras. As a proportion of the user population, the satisfied GFX users may be even higher, since the absolute level of performance is so high.

 

GFX 50S, The Last Word

← Fujifilm GFX with 120/4 wide-open MF Fujifilm GFX & Sony a7RII moire →

Comments

  1. Phil Lindsay says

    April 19, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    Is auto focus performed wide open by default or is the default the selected aperture? Thanks for your great testing program.

    Phil Lindsay

    Reply
    • JimK says

      April 20, 2017 at 7:20 am

      I can’t tell for sure. In the case of the 120, it produces results that you couldn’t get focusing wide open, so it must be stopping down. The defaut for manual focus is wide open but you can stop the lens down before focusing.

      Reply
  2. Phil Lindsay says

    April 20, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    Fuji Tech Support confirms that AF is performed at the shooting aperture by default and that the only way to AF wide open is to set the lens to the wide open aperture. They said that setting the shooting aperature by using the aperture ring on the lens or setting the lens to “C” and adjusting the camera thumb to the desired aperture has the same functionality with respect to always performing AF at the shooting aprature. How do Nikon and Canon handled AF?

    Thanks

    Phil Lindsay

    Reply
    • JimK says

      April 20, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      Every SLR I’ve owned has focused ith the lens wide open, but the aperture used by the phase detection system is less than that for fast lenses. When lenses reach narrow maximum openings, PDAF usually ceases to work at all.

      Reply
  3. Kenneth Noelsch says

    April 14, 2018 at 8:50 am

    Hopefully Fuji will listen to its users.
    1. Change available magnifications, or add more including 100%, or make them adjustable.
    2. More or adjustable focus peaking levels
    Seems that both might be acomplished in firmware updates.
    Does shooting tethered make any difference in what is available to help in manuall focusing?
    Could it offer more than just what is available on the camera alone?

    Reply
    • JimK says

      April 14, 2018 at 9:08 am

      Does shooting tethered make any difference in what is available to help in manuall focusing?
      Could it offer more than just what is available on the camera alone?

      Shooting tethered with a big screen makes everything bigger, which helps. I have shot other cameras tethered to a Atomos display, and used the peaking in the display, and that works.

      Reply

Trackbacks

  1. Manually focusing the Fujifilm GFX 50S says:
    April 27, 2017 at 4:43 pm

    […] have developed what I think are highly accurate ways to focus the camera. I have touched on them in this post about GFX focusing in general, but the thrust of that piece was about […]

    Reply
  2. Fujifill GFX 50S — summary says:
    May 8, 2017 at 10:05 am

    […] Inconsistent with both the 63 and the 120. However, the problematic f-stops are few, and you can work around them while we wait for the […]

    Reply

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

May 2025
S M T W T F S
 123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031
« Apr    

Articles

  • About
    • Patents and papers about color
    • Who am I?
  • How to…
    • Backing up photographic images
    • How to change email providers
    • How to shoot slanted edge images for me
  • Lens screening testing
    • Equipment and Software
    • Examples
      • Bad and OK 200-600 at 600
      • Excellent 180-400 zoom
      • Fair 14-30mm zoom
      • Good 100-200 mm MF zoom
      • Good 100-400 zoom
      • Good 100mm lens on P1 P45+
      • Good 120mm MF lens
      • Good 18mm FF lens
      • Good 24-105 mm FF lens
      • Good 24-70 FF zoom
      • Good 35 mm FF lens
      • Good 35-70 MF lens
      • Good 60 mm lens on IQ3-100
      • Good 63 mm MF lens
      • Good 65 mm FF lens
      • Good 85 mm FF lens
      • Good and bad 25mm FF lenses
      • Good zoom at 24 mm
      • Marginal 18mm lens
      • Marginal 35mm FF lens
      • Mildly problematic 55 mm FF lens
      • OK 16-35mm zoom
      • OK 60mm lens on P1 P45+
      • OK Sony 600mm f/4
      • Pretty good 16-35 FF zoom
      • Pretty good 90mm FF lens
      • Problematic 400 mm FF lens
      • Tilted 20 mm f/1.8 FF lens
      • Tilted 30 mm MF lens
      • Tilted 50 mm FF lens
      • Two 15mm FF lenses
    • Found a problem – now what?
    • Goals for this test
    • Minimum target distances
      • MFT
      • APS-C
      • Full frame
      • Small medium format
    • Printable Siemens Star targets
    • Target size on sensor
      • MFT
      • APS-C
      • Full frame
      • Small medium format
    • Test instructions — postproduction
    • Test instructions — reading the images
    • Test instructions – capture
    • Theory of the test
    • What’s wrong with conventional lens screening?
  • Previsualization heresy
  • Privacy Policy
  • Recommended photographic web sites
  • Using in-camera histograms for ETTR
    • Acknowledgments
    • Why ETTR?
    • Normal in-camera histograms
    • Image processing for in-camera histograms
    • Making the in-camera histogram closely represent the raw histogram
    • Shortcuts to UniWB
    • Preparing for monitor-based UniWB
    • A one-step UniWB procedure
    • The math behind the one-step method
    • Iteration using Newton’s Method

Category List

Recent Comments

  • bob lozano on The 16-Bit Fallacy: Why More Isn’t Always Better in Medium Format Cameras
  • JimK on Goldilocks and the three flashes
  • DC Wedding Photographer on Goldilocks and the three flashes
  • Wedding Photographer in DC on The 16-Bit Fallacy: Why More Isn’t Always Better in Medium Format Cameras
  • JimK on Fujifilm GFX 100S II precision
  • Renjie Zhu on Fujifilm GFX 100S II precision
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • Ivo de Man on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF
  • JimK on Fuji 20-35/4 landscape field curvature at 23mm vs 23/4 GF

Archives

Copyright © 2025 · Daily Dish Pro On Genesis Framework · WordPress · Log in

Unless otherwise noted, all images copyright Jim Kasson.