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How read and quantizing noise interact

July 20, 2014 JimK 7 Comments

The Sony a7S has raw bit depths of 12 or 13 bits depending on the way the camera is set. It also has low read noise in many circumstances. The combination of the two conditions has lead several people to ask me if, when I think I’m measuring read noise, am I sometimes measuring just the quantizing noise of the ADC.

Good question. I built a little simulator to find out:

qnvsRB Sxript dc var

It models read noise as having a Gaussian distribution, and computes the sum of the read noise and the quantizing noise when the standard deviation of the read noise varies from 1/16 of the least-significant nit (LSB) of the analog-to-digital converter (ADC) to 2 LSBs. Since the quantizing noise in this case is also a function of the average (dc) level of the read noise, the little simulation models that level as varying from 0 to 1 LSB.

Here is the family of curves that the simulation produces:

QNvs RN vasrying dc

 

And here’s a closeup of the area around the origin:

qnvsrnblowup

You can see that the curves are symmetric with respect to  a dc offset of 1/2 LSB. 1/8 LSB and 7/8 LSB produce the same result, as do 1/4 LSB and 3/4 LSB. Same with 3/8 and 5/8.

You can also see that by the time the standard deviation of the read noise gets to 1/2 LSB, the dc offset doesn’t make much difference.

If I change the script slightly to look at the mean of the total noise instead of the standard deviation:

qnvsrnmean script

We get this:

qnvsrn mean

This indicates that, when the read noise standard deviation is over 1/2 LSB, it supplies enough dithering to let the quantizer, on average, resolve signals that are less than one LSB.

 

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Comments

  1. Jack Hogan says

    July 21, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Excellent.

    Janesick in his Photon Transfer book suggests that proper dithering to a real life ADC is provided by read noise around 1 LSB.

    I think the next generation of FF/APS-C Sony sensors may very well require more than 14 bits…

    Jack

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    • Jim says

      July 23, 2014 at 8:52 am

      Sounds about right to me. It’s interesting that it takes substantially less than that for an ideal ADC.

      Jim

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